Posts by Jonathan Drake

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The Theory Of Everything

by 88JM in

question: should able-bodied actors play characters with disabilities?.

i got myself into a bit of a quandary over a discussion on a facebook group.

it was partly based on this article in the guardian:.

Jonathan Drake

How would the less-able-bodied actor be able to play the character before the disease?

This. And i don't think anyone has the right to complain when the man himself has praised the performance. Just my opinion.

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Do the Rank & File JW's REALLY read and understand the bible to be able to REALLY start a study with someone???

by ADJUSTMENTS in

i believe the average rank & file are illiterate when it come to the bible because they are so used to using the wbats cliff notes... even though i believe the bible is a fiction novel, at least be able to explain a novel you hold is such high regard: i mean jesus!!!

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Jonathan Drake

Honestly I would say they largely do understand enough to start the study. The cult stuff doesn't come in until well after its started, and it doesn't get REAL serious until after yiur baptized and you realize your trapped. Lol

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Are we heading for III World War?

by abiather in

the leaders of russia, germany, france and ukraine are slated to meet in minsk (the belarusian capital) tomorrow to discuss a ukrainian peace plan!

some countries such as hollande believe there is going to be a total war.

when they met last year in the same place, they had put forward a peace plan (a ceasefire, withdrawal of artillery, prisoner exchanges and other concessions) that were never fully implemented!

Jonathan Drake

Ignoring the scriptural stuff and going with the question framed in the OP, I honestly doubt it very much. Everyone of these people, especially the leaders, knows how bad the world wars were and they are not interested in repeating them. Things would have to be seriously bad for that to happen and I doubt it will get that far very much. nobody wants that massive body count repeated or, God forbid, out done.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Jonathan Drake

Well, you're one, for instance.

So first you try to defame me by putting words in my mouth that I said all Christians are fake, then when I prove this incorrect you say I'm a fske Christian. If it would be wrong for me to call someone fake then it's certainly wrong for you to...

Hypocrite

Again.

actually think about what you've claimed.
you believe in... Punishment for getting it wrong, and have decided who has it wrong and right...

Again you are saying I said something I never said trying to defame me (this is the definition of slander, feel free to look it up- it's synonymous with "Malign", you are Maligning my words).

What I have said is that the majority don't follow what their own book says. I never said they are wrong and I am right. I quoted a verse, that is all. And as far as the punishment thing goes, I've actually said the complete opposite of what you here say I did.

JD: if a person denies this message, Christians teach they will die. I disagree, this is not what it says. It says the judge is Christ, and that all those who do good and are righteous will be saved...
...I have many friends who are genuinely good people who feel similarly to both yourself and cofty, and of these friends I would say if God could judge them unrighteous then we are all royally screwed.

Completed opposite of what you're claiming I said. I,min fact, do not believe in blanket punishment of any who don't agree with me or some denomination - I feel the opposite. So again:

VIC: Would you mind NOT telling other people what they think and why? They (we) are perfectly capable of explaining it ourselves.

Hypocrite. Feel free to look that word up while your at it too. also in case you failed to notice, the thread has pretty much ended. Yet again, you are looking for an arguement like I've pointed out is your pattern of behavior. Once again, you are posting instagatory comments that misquote, misrepresent, and SLANDER (defame me with things I never said, again, look it up) me. You're an argumentative presence here and eventually you'll do it to the wrong person I hope, so i dont have to deal with the circular debate of me stating reality and you trying as hard as possible to reach a different conclusion and keep fighting.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Jonathan Drake

It will never be gone. There will always be stupid people, dumb parents and idiotic ideas - something else would replace it. What we can do is reduce it's impact by making certain things mandatory for all children e.g. education - get rid of "faith schools" (which is an oxymoron) and home schooling.

Well this would be a nice compromise to forceful outlawing of religion, I must say. This topic, religion, is one I am extremely biased on. I feel robbed and having only just got out of the JWs that feeling of robbery is probably just still fresh, maybe as time goes on ill be less hostile toward it and be able to think of more peaceful solutions like you and looter put forward.

Still, it'd be nice to see them convicted for all the harms they've done to all the people they've affected around the world. And not just them, but other religions too. I think that's where my feelings on it come from, the fact that I realize you and looter are right, I'll never see justice for these harms but I want to - I don't want revenge, not saying that. violence isn't the answer, but I'd like to see something... Know what I mean?

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Jonathan Drake

@looter

i suppose that does make sense. But so many lives will be ruined by them until that point. I guess that idea is something I really hate ya know? Like, how many children will never reach their full potential because of the Watchtower before it's gone? How many children will grow up in poverty because of the churches dogma of NFP?

i hate thinking about it.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Jonathan Drake

@ simon

yea it happened a while back, and I've not read they reopened anywhere:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2011/12/29/illinois-catholic-charities-close-rather-than-allow-same-sex-couples-adopt-children/Km9RBLkpKzABNLJbUGhvJM/story.html

The way I see them as connected is because the argument is about "traditional" marriage. The opponents of gay rights whom I've heard speak all used that same word. And where are they getting this definition of tradition marriage? Not all of them say it's the bible, some do, but it surely must be. On the Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore last week there was a panel discussing the issue and all four agreed that it boils down to religion trying to stand in the way. Now I should say, this does not mean all religious people feel that way, but the major organizations themselves certainly aren't supporting it.

Here is the nightly show panel discussion:

http://sallykohn.com/2015/02/nightly-show-larry-wilmore-clips-gay-marriage-discussion/

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Jonathan Drake

Oh dear, you're not one of these "let's force Armageddon to happen" types are you?
Outlawing religion, while certainly appealing, plays into religions hands and persecution complex.

Lol no, I thought of that on the fly. ive thought about how that complex would be set off. There would definitely be a huge fight. But I honestly think it would be worth it. I mean, really, religions are the reason for the worst acts in human history. They are vile organizations in my opinion. This is why I think (this is all my opinion at this point btw, obviously) it should be outlawed. Let the crazy ones who would rise up rise up, throw them in jail and try not to hurt them but if we could get rid of religion our world wide society would benefit GREATLY, I think. i mean, along with race (which makes no sense) isn't religion one of the biggest dividers in our society?

Separation of Church (any religion) and State (any country) is THE most important thing.
Don't do business with theocracy controlled countries. Help the poor souls forced to live in those places.

Also I agree with this.

I just have difficulty seeing how, as a society we will keep them separate when they've already been included to an extent- which I feel the gay rights issue demonstrates. Religion is the only reason it's an issue, and what's going to happen when it's law? In Illinoise, when gay marriage passed, the Catholic Church shut down all of the orphanages in the state that they had. (I do not know if they are still closed). This sort of behavior can only escalate in my opinion.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Jonathan Drake

I think the piece you are missing is that the bible and quran are intended to be weapons to give authority and control people. They will always be open to interpretation because they are vague and badly written.

This is true. There is a huge cultural chasm filled with old English and poor verbiage. Elsewhere on these forums I've voiced my opinion that religion should be outlawed. I honestly believe this. Outlaw all religion, and no man will be able to rise up and inspire the crazy people to follow him. We don't have to outlaw the books IMO, just the organizations.

Option 2, outlaw the books too. If God is really there, he won't let this happen amd we can jump start this "end times" deal. But if nothing happens? We can move on in unity and laugh at our naïveté.

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The best reasonable, rational, intelligent discussion on religion I've ever seen

by TerryWalstrom in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6e4emx-4k

Jonathan Drake

but you will be doing civilisation a big favour.

Yes! I agree! Example, take the slap out. It's unnecessary. In the ancient culture it was acceptable, but today it is not and should not be there. The book itself indicates the slap is a poor choice anyway, since job is pictured as regretting his oath to lash his wife and rewarded with a way out of it. So let's take it out, let's get a modern translation that doesn't allow for people to reach all these radical conclusions.